My local salon offers laser teeth whitening cheap is this legal?

Q. Hi, I wish to have laser whitening. My local tanning salon offers in house laser whitening for a third of the price that dentists offer. How safe and or legal is it for me to have laser there? thank you, Y.

A. Dear Y,

It is illegal for anyone not qualified as a Dentist to carry out dentistry. This includes tooth whitening. However, if your local tanning center is employing a dentist to carry out this treatment this would be fine. Your teeth can be permanently damaged if incorrect products and techniques are used to whiten your teeth. Please make sure that only a qualified dentist carries out this procedure for you.

Regards,

dr julian caplan

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February 9th, 2009 at 08:47 PM
Leila Says :

What so is it illegal for me to whiten my own teeth. Im not qualified as a dentist.

February 19th, 2009 at 08:47 PM
David Says :

In reply to your comments on teeth whitening, I would like to remind you that teeth whitening is not a dental procedure and was indeed passed as a cosmetic procedure in 2001 through the House of Lords.

March 18th, 2009 at 08:47 PM
David Says :

I would just like to note for the record that it is not illegal for a trained whitening technician to carry out teeth whitening as stated by Julian Caplin. Anybody who uses hydrogen peroxide above 0.1% in this country is acting illegally.
Dentists have always thought they were above the law and have always stated that this is a dental procedure, which in fact it is not, and no dentist in the UK would whiten anybody’s teeth without using the safe and reliable method of hydrogen or carbamide peroxide.
It is unfortunate that the EU has not changed this dated law by now, but I would just like to emphasize that this is by no means a dental procedure and as stated by The House of Lords in 2001 was in fect deemed to be cosmetic.
I am tired of hearing dentists stating that only they can carry ou this treatment. I agree with what they say in the sense that there are a lot of back street whitening companies out there that should be eradicated, however for the few professional whitening companies that are out there, I would just like to remind dentists, that as it stands in the UK at the moment, what they are doing is very much illegal as well!

October 9th, 2009 at 08:47 PM
Carron Says :

Hi,i am wanting to enrol on a teeth whitening course and purchase SmileQuest machine.Most of the literature i have read says it is illegal for non dentist professionals to carry out this procedure…I am soo confused…I don’t want to go ahead and part with money if i am not covered to be able to carry out this procedure…please help!!

October 19th, 2009 at 08:47 PM
David Says :

Hi Carron

The actual process of teeh whitening is not illegal in itself for a non dental professional to do, however using hydrogen peroxide over 0.01% in the EU is illegal. The majority of dentists in the EU use up to 35% hydrogen peroxide which is of course illegal and the fact that a dentist is doing it means nothing as they are breaking the law also! Of late in this country a blind eye has been turned to this, however the law will change in the future to favour dentists, but do not be fooled by a dentist telling you it is illegal for you to do as it is as much an illegality for them as it is for any member of the public. In short, Carron, using HP over 0.01% is illegal, but is still the safest and only method proved to whiten teeth. Incidently Smilequest went in to liquidation as a company at the turn of last year and have now set up selling machines. I purchased my equipment from a company called Teethwhite, many years ago and have found them to offer reliable machines and also great back up. If you like I could pass you their contact details as another option to Smilequest. Regards, David.

January 7th, 2010 at 08:47 PM
Thomas Says :

Hi David,

You mentioned in your earlier post the law on teeth whitening is soon to be changed to favour the dentists. Does this mean the procedure will no longer be deemed cosmetic and as such non dentists can no longer perform teeth whitening? I am now cautious of going into this field if the law will soon change….

January 21st, 2010 at 08:47 PM
Tasha Smith Says :

Hello David,

Can you please past me any information in helping me. I am a NVQ 3 & VCT 3 level in beauty therapy, aromatherapy, reflexology & sports massage. So I have been told I am eligable to attend a course for teeth whitening however I am trying to find the correct course. As well as the correct information. As I dont have a clue……

Tasha

February 12th, 2010 at 08:47 PM
David` Says :

Hi Tasha

Please contact me on 01475 727273 and I will give you all the information you need.

Best regards

David.

April 15th, 2010 at 08:47 PM
Simon Says :

Watch out guys theres so much mis information out there. One of the big reasons for this is dentist and hygienist DO NOT want smaller companies setting up and selling the exact same products for 30 – 50% off what they do! This billion pound industry is being opened up and they dont like it. The poor information states that non dentist use 35% + hydrogen peroxide which is a complete lie, ask them to prove this and show there source of this information, they cant! There are a few back street cowboys that must be shut down but the VAST majority of business use 10 – 18% when using light to complete the whitening process.

Its also worth thinking about that under the current laws dentist are breaking them just as much as online retailers and smile clinics. Although because they are trained (not in whitening I must add) they feel they are above the law.

The little loop hole around this is when bleaching they ask the client to place the mouth guard themselves. This means that you are technically not practicing dentistry without a licence..

As it stands Under EU laws it’s a criminal offence to ‘supply’ products with more than 0.1% hydrogen peroxide in them – tooth whitening agents usually contain around 3.6% hydrogen peroxide, Crest white strips contain between 3 and 10% Hydrogen Peroxide, but because this a done in home by yourself it once again bypasses the law. Its also worth remembering that in effect 6 applications of home kit can be as effective as the dentist!

The law is outdated and I understand is under review now, to favour the dentist, after all if they allow others into the business how can they affford the summer house in france, the sports car and young blond!

If you want to read all about this, post a comment and I will send all links to the truth…Not just the dentists version!

Cheers for now

April 22nd, 2010 at 08:47 PM
angela Says :

Hi David, I too would love some information on the best teeth whitening courses to go on, can you advise me of any please.

Regards

Angela

May 11th, 2010 at 08:47 PM
liz oliver Says :

My local beauty salon is advertising ‘laser tooth whitening’, Ive been led to believe this is illegal unless performed by a dental professional. Am I right? Should I report them?

May 16th, 2010 at 08:47 PM
Tessa Crook Says :

Now that we have a new Government anyone have any ideas on whether the law will still be under review, changed etc….

May 18th, 2010 at 08:47 PM
Heather Says :

Cripes – I am just about to go into this industry too and whilst I felt more reassured up to a point the fact that the law is changing to favour dentists worries me – does anyone know when this law is likely to come into play?

June 13th, 2010 at 08:47 PM
rocky Says :

Hi Simon i too would love some more info as i am looking to set up my own business?

Thanks

June 27th, 2010 at 08:47 PM
nicole Says :

Does anyone know what Washington state law is for this procedure? All states are different. I want accurate information. I am a licensed esthetician, In RN school, and have other medical licenses. Opening my own spa location. Can anyone help me. Thank you!

July 6th, 2010 at 08:47 PM
Dave Says :

Does anyone want to use a legal teeth whitening system that works?

No Hydrogen Peroxide or carbamide peroxide.

Active Chlorine Dioxide is both safe, legal and it works

July 11th, 2010 at 08:47 PM
David Says :

Hi Dave

I would urge everyone out there to avoid chlorine dioxide at all costs!! Chlorine dioxide is an industrial cleaning product and can damage the enamel of the tooth along with eventually turning the teeth brown! Chlorine dioxide does not penetrate the enamel into the dentine so only removes extrinsic staining, which any good toothpaste will do anyway. Chlorine dioxide was brought into teeth whitening several years ago as a way to get round the law. I have been in this industry over a decade and we trialled chlorine dioxide before anyone really knew anything about it, and I have to say the results were more than rubbish, along with the fact that over time this will, and there is evidential fact to prove this, damage the teeth beyond repair. I cannot urge people out there enough to stay away from this industrial cleaning product and certainly never put it anywhere near someone’s mouth. Simon obviously hasn’t done his research!!!!

July 12th, 2010 at 08:47 PM
Dave Says :

David,
I think what you are confirming is that chlorine dioxide can be used as a bleach –

HOWEVER Active Chlorine Dioxide (DIOXICARE brand) is not a bleach and has proven time and time again to be both safe, legal and it by the way it works. There are numerous companies out there using this only legal teeth whitening product and there is third party research (yet to be published) that has been completed by a well known UK university.

Perhaps we could chat off line and prove to you that this does what we say it does?

July 12th, 2010 at 08:47 PM
David Says :

Chlorine Dioxide Many of the non-dentists provide tooth whitening using chlorine dioxide. There is no published research on chlorine dioxide at all. This product has a pH of 3-4, is ineffective and may etch the tooth enamel. Instead of the tooth becoming white, it turns gray as a result of using Chlorine Dioxide. Cases have been reported of permanent damage to the enamel surface. There are no long lasting whitening effects of this product. Furthermore the patient literature accompanying the treatment is misleading the public not only about the treatment, but about the post treatment care and long term effects.

July 12th, 2010 at 08:47 PM
Dave Mellor Says :

David,

Many of the non-dentists out there offer Hydrogen Peroxide or products that is essentially Hydrogen Peroxide – the majority above 6% and it would appear that all are above the legal limit. Active Chlorine Dioxide is safe, legal – the toxicology report confirms this to be so. A PH of 3 – 4 is not harmful as it is less acidic than an orange but it is effective for teeth whitening but is not harmful to people and this is proven.

I would be happy for you to substantiate your claims and again we are happy to discuss off line.

We know of literally thousands of people who have had their teeth whitened this way without adverse effects and they have been happy that their teeth have been ‘whitened’.

Please do not confuse Active Chlorine Dioxide under the DioxiCare name with Chlorine dioxide.

August 4th, 2010 at 08:47 PM
Kathryn Jones Says :

May I remind you that teeth whitening is perfectly legal and does not require a qualified dentist to perform it. The prrof of this fact is that this was passed as a cosmetic procedure in 2001 by the House of Lords.
Your information is both inaccurate and is clearly designed to stop teeth whitening professionals from carrying out this procedure at a a fraction of the cost that dentists are charging.

August 12th, 2010 at 08:47 PM
Sharon Ferguson Says :

Hi Im about to invest into this buisness in Republic of Ireland. My buisness was going to be mobile and I would like some experianced advice on whether this would have any legal or ethical problems. I have been working in the dental industry for over 15 years and am fully qulified in dental nursing.

August 22nd, 2010 at 08:47 PM
David Says :

Here here Kathryn. In reply to your post Sharon, teeth whitening is a cosmetic procedure, not dental (fact). What is illegal is using or supplying hydrogen peroxide over 0.1%. Unfortunately there is no way that will whiten teeth, so 35% is more commonly used . This is a huge grey area, and as such dentists are acting illegally as well (fact) Many many non dental professionals perform teeth whitening safely, if trained properly, so be very careful who does your training as it takes more than just a couple of hours to learn how to do this correctly.

August 23rd, 2010 at 08:47 PM
Dave Mellor Says :

Sharon

Be very careful as to what you are investing in……David and Kathryn are quite correct that teeth whitening can be done by anyone as its a cosmetic procedure.

If the system you are investing in uses Hydrogen peroxide or Carbamide Peroxide then these are illegal at more than 0.1%. Theoretically you should not be able to get liability insurance and even if you can the insurance would not pay out if there was a problem as you would be using illegal product.

The only known legal tooth whitening (should be called ‘lightening’ not whitening) is Active chlorine doxide from a company called Frontier inc in the USA. Works as well as hydrogen peroxide but is legal and safe.

Hoep this helps

January 6th, 2011 at 08:47 PM
orla dodd Says :

Hi Ive just entered this industry and am wondering if there are any further developments on the subject of the eu law changing? David whats your take on the Beyond teeth whitening system and Quickwhite? i use both and want your opinion as youve been in this field for 10 years……

January 14th, 2011 at 08:47 PM
Dave Mellor Says :

Orla

No change – still legal for anyone to do teeth whitening (Cosmetic procedure), Hydrogen peroxide and carbamide peroxide is still illegal above 0.1% and the only legal product out there is Active Chlorine Dioxide (DioxiCare brand) which has been available for a decade, UK safety tested by Intertek in Leicester and has sold over 170K units in the last few years.

January 14th, 2011 at 08:47 PM
David Says :

Hi Orla

It would be unprofessional of me to comment on other companies. I am aware of them both and they have been around for quite a while, but just how good the results from these systems are, depends on the type of whitening gel that they use more than anything else.

January 14th, 2011 at 08:47 PM
Dave Mellor Says :

Orla,

They are both peroxide based so illegal and your insurance will be invalid. I have seen Beyond work well but any high percentage of peroxide bleaches……doesn’t make it legal though. I have heard of people closed down by trading stds for using peroxide so be careful which gel you use.

January 17th, 2011 at 08:47 PM
Dave Mellor Says :

Carbamide Peroxide converts/reverts to hydrogen peroxide…..the conversion is 2.77 (approx) which means 16% carbamide peroxide is 6% hydrogen peroxide so still illegal and any insurance could be invalid for using illegal product.

Some people say 6% hydrogen peroxide does not work and needs to be stronger but either way still illegal

January 21st, 2011 at 08:47 PM
Naomi Says :

Hi, i am new to this but am interested in doing a teeth whiteing course. I was just about to book mine with Fuss Beauty but now i dont think i will?
I am now confused on which other company i should do this training with? Does anyone know any other companies? That are good and that are good at after care too?

January 21st, 2011 at 08:47 PM
Naomi Says :

Thanks Dave, i have been in contact with a lady at teethwhite and the course is a little out of my budget plus its a very long way away from me, but they do soudn good.

January 21st, 2011 at 08:47 PM
Naomi Says :

Does anyone have any feed back from either LaserSchool in Wigan or Teeth Labs in Cardiff Bay?

January 24th, 2011 at 08:47 PM
Dave Mellor Says :

Dave – re teethwhite.co.uk – do you know they are using carbamide peroxide? If you move ahead with any system using Peroxide and something goes wrong your liability insurance will be invalid.

January 29th, 2011 at 08:47 PM
FBS Says :

WARNING! Please do not consider Chlorine Dioxide, its dangerous and does not whiten teeth it only cleans them, no Dentist in the world would consider this product safe or suitable for whitening.

January 29th, 2011 at 08:47 PM
FBS Says :

Chlroine Doixide does not work is doesn’t have a whitening agent in it, it at best can only clean teeth, the product is rubbish and no Dentist in the world uses it.

January 31st, 2011 at 08:47 PM
Andrea Thompson Says :

I have read most of the above comments but what I would like to know is WHY hydrogen peroxide is ILLEAL??? what are the risks associated with it. I have just set up my own teeth whitening business and want to be able to offer my clients a complete explanation as to WHY it it illegal. many thanks. Andrea

January 31st, 2011 at 08:47 PM
Kerri Says :

Re: Teeth Labs in Cardiff Bay…… I did my training with Teeth Labs in Cardiff Bay last October and they were just brilliant, very competent and professional. I paid for the full package from them which also included all equipment and i must say it is all excellent quality. I would definatly recommend this company to anyone thinking about training in Teeth Whitening.

February 1st, 2011 at 08:47 PM
keri Says :

I trained with Teeth Labs in Cardiff Bay, they were excellent!

February 3rd, 2011 at 08:47 PM
Dave Mellor Says :

FBS – I would be interested to know which manufacturer of Chlorine Dioxide you are referring to – do you know who it is.

What is a tooth whitening agent – don’t all tooth whitening products actually only lighten i.e. return teeth to their original colour because they are removing stains and not actually Whitening the teeth as such?

What is the Fuss product mde up off? Is it UK safety tested?

ANDREA – HP is illegal, why they made the decision not sure but there is a reason a gum dam is used to make sure none of the product gets on the soft tissue.

February 4th, 2011 at 08:47 PM
Rob Says :

Hi I have recently joined a teeth whitening franchise and asked after paying a large amount of money asked about the legalities after reading about it on the internet. Yeah I know should have checked 1st. They say it is legal even though I’m using 16% hydrogen peroxide! I know this isn’t true and therefore my insurance is invalid. Is it likely to become legal soon?
Also how often do people need to claim against their insurance? I have read up on hydrogen peroxide a lot now and it appears if used correctly it is safe?
Also the company I’m with don’t use a gum dam and if it gets on gums we use vitamin E. Is this safe?
If I were to be closed down would I stand any chance of getting my investment back as the franchise is opperating illigally?

February 7th, 2011 at 08:47 PM
Dave Mellor Says :

Rob – 16% HP is illegal and your insurance could well be invalid if there is a claim against you (also trading stds can impose a fine or even a prison sentence for using illegal product – I know sounds crazy).

The SCCP (scientific community for Europe) suggested a few years back that 6% should be ok (they also recommended further testing and for the procedure to be done only by dentists!) but there is not change in the law. The law change would be done in the EU – I wonder how quickly things move through those guys!!

If you are using 16% HP and do not use a gum dam then the client could suffer blistering, extreme sensitivity, their gums could well turn white as well as potentially being linked to other dangers (just google HPeroxide and you will see!)

February 12th, 2011 at 08:47 PM
FBS Says :

The SCCP ruling in March 2005 states that 6% HP or 16% CP is legal and this level of peroxide is NOT exclusive to Dentist. Dave Mellor would like to believe this so he can sell you Chlorine Dioxide.

Please note we bought £15,000 Smile Spa Chlorine Dioxide light and 30 treatment packs from the largest Chlorine Dioxide supplier in the USA “Frontier”. We did 30 treatments and 30 refunds; this product is RUBBISH it has no whitening agents and can only clean teeth. No Dentist uses it or would recommend it. FACT!

If you want to use a peroxide free teeth whitener than the only product that can give an average of 7 shades whiter is B-Zero exclusive to Fuss Beauty School. It contains the following and is 100% legal.

Alcohol, Perborate, Sodium, Sodium Saccharin, Sucralose, Sodium Lauyl Sulfate, Poloxamer 407 EDTA, Aqua Sodium Citate, Potassium.

February 14th, 2011 at 08:47 PM
Dave Mellor Says :

FBS – Active Chlorine Dioxide works – its been tested by Liverpool university against peroxide and is shown to lighten the teeth exactly as any other system does – its teeth lighting not whitening.

Re the SCCP ruling – they recommended that 6% should be ok but this is not the law, they are not a government or the EU ruling body. The law still states 0.1 % peroxide. Dentists are also breaking the law if they use peroxide above 0.1%.

There have been hundred thousand plus teeth whitening done with Active Chlorine Dioxide, every one is different and typically you would see between 2 and 7 shades lightening – hope this helps.

I will contact Phil and ask him what concerns he has over Active Chlorine Dioxide

February 14th, 2011 at 08:47 PM
FBS Says :

I agree that Chlorine Dioxide can lighten teeth, but only by drawing out stains by using gas that Chlorine Dioxide creates when under an LED light. This can also fill your lungs which can be very dangerous. To whiten teeth you need a whitening agent.
Can you provide me with any artical from a Dentist that uses Chlorine Dioxide? Answer NO!

February 14th, 2011 at 08:47 PM
FBS Says :

TRACY – We know who is putting up these bad reviews,and taking legal action against this company, fortunatly most see through these silly comments as we have broken training record for the same period last year.
Fuss Beauty School is the market leader in this field and can provide testimonials from Doctors, Dental Nurses Solicitors and hundreds of students who have attended our courses.
We are so confident that you will be pleased with our training, products and service that we offer a 100% money back gaurantee and ask that you post another comment on this site after your training?

February 14th, 2011 at 08:47 PM
Lizzie Says :

I think we all know who Babs is LoL

February 15th, 2011 at 08:47 PM
Stephen – www.shadeswhiter.co.uk Says :

Hi Guys, I opened a teeth whitening business over a year ago now and we also provide the training and supplies needed to work in the UK and Ireland. Hydrogen Peroxide is the safest and most effective gel to use with the LED Lamps. My Business is future proof as we will be using 16%HP on all our customers teeth up until I cannot use it anymore, then we will be using sodium perborate which is approved by trading standards in the UK (Thoughts David?) Or If it changes to the US law and only dentists can apply or touch the customers mouth then we will use pre filled trays in which the customers put into their own mouth and only use our light. There will always be a way of staying open guys and producing good results. We have companies in France getting 4-5 shades whiter with sodium perborate with 3×12 min sessions using the Lamp. If you need any other info please contact me through my site via email.

February 16th, 2011 at 08:47 PM
Dave Mellor Says :

We really have no issue with what anyone does. If they know all the in’s and out’s before hand then they are best placed to judge what they should do. Cosmetics product need a UK safety test performed on them to the cosmetics directive and if they have this then there is no issue – if sodium perborate has a safety certificate then it can be used in the EU. We are not aware of an approval for trading standards for cosmetic teeth whitening but there is a Home Authority Principle that comes from Trading stds.

February 16th, 2011 at 08:47 PM
Dave Says :

I think all in all we have to look at what has been the safest and most effective method of teeth whitening has been over the decades and this has been hydrogen and carbamide peroxides. Companies are bringing in new ways of changing a tried and tested method through implementing sodium perborate etc. Even although “technically” HP and CP are illegal they are still by far the safest way to whiten teeth if used “CORRECTLY”. Using these products comes down to getting the right training and not just what is offered cheaper! Do your research guys! I have been in this business 10 years now and now work for a large teeth whitening supply company. I pride myself in having had and now offering the best training in the industry, and I have every confidence in saying that! You can by the cheapest all you want, you get what you pay for in the end through lack of training, support and aftercare. Yes this is technically illegal, yes the dentists are doing it and yes the dentists are acting just as illegally as anyone else, it is not one rule for them. HP is illegal no matter who is using it, but it still remains the safest option!

February 17th, 2011 at 08:47 PM
milly Says :

Hi I have just trained as a teeth whitening technician – can anyone tell me where i can get insurance??

February 21st, 2011 at 08:47 PM
Pat Says :

Has anyone heard of b-zero whitening or have they used it? What results does it produce and has it been safety Assessed? Where can you buy it from?

February 25th, 2011 at 08:47 PM
Vicky Says :

I am very confused, I want to start a mobile teeth whitening company in my area, but having read this thread I do not know which product is legal, and works! Would anyone who is an expert here like to set me straight on my questions:
1) Hydrogen Peroxide above 0.1% in any form is illegal for use in line with SCCP ruling?
This rules out most Hydrogen or Carbomide gels available?
2) Chlorine Dioxide (active) is legal has safety tests and testimonials but some brands work and others do not?
3) B Zero system contains perborate which (according to Wikipedia) “perborate undergoes hydrolysis in contact with water, producing hydrogen peroxide and borate” Which would mean back to Hydrogen peroxide again which is illegal?
Is there anything out there that is legal, safe and works!!
Help!

February 28th, 2011 at 08:47 PM
Pat Says :

Linda,

Have you had a copy of the UK safety testing certificate? and as above this product produces hydrogen peroxide are you sure that if someone has a claim against you that you will be covered with insurance.

March 1st, 2011 at 08:47 PM
Linda Says :

Hi Pat and Vicky
I spoke to one of the staff who sell the B-Zero and they confirmed that the B-Zero releases hydrogen peroxide when in contact with water, tho it contains 0.16% Sodium Perborate, therefore only releases a legal limit of 0.1% hydrogen peroxide. Which is Legal. So that is comforting to know.

March 1st, 2011 at 08:47 PM
Pat Says :

Thanks for that Linda but it still requires to have been UK SAFETY TESTED and nobody seems to be able to provide that documentation. I’ll keep asking and let you know if I find out anymore. If you have trained with Fuss I would read Carl Murray’s comments above. Not a very reputable company no matter what they tell you – get it checked out.

March 2nd, 2011 at 08:47 PM
Linda Says :

Thanks Pat, tho i wouldnt believe everything thats written on these forums, if we did we would’nt get very far.I can only say how i was treated at fuss beauty school which was good. I’ve kept in contact with others who attended my course who also have good opinions of them, Tho Carl’s comments sound like they’re wrote by an insider, maybe trying to gain an advantage over them maybe ?

Let me know how you get on Pat..

March 2nd, 2011 at 08:47 PM
Pat Says :

Linda,
I’ve been in the teeth whitening business for a few years now and take my advice check out with your insurance company if you are covered if anything goes wrong – Does your insurance company have the UK safety testing certificate?

March 2nd, 2011 at 08:47 PM
Vicky Says :

Hi Pat, I spoke to the guys at Frontier Pharm in the UK, they provided a copy of their UK safety sign offs for their products completed last year..and have also got an insurance agent that has tailored a policy specifically to cover teeth whitening using their product….and their training is done by a dentist…all in all their product sounds like it eliminates a lot of the uncertainty around the whole aspect of whitening product legality/safety…I’m starting to think that this may be the route for me…but still feel I have some way to go to be sure. Which system do you use?

March 2nd, 2011 at 08:47 PM
Pat Says :

Vicky,
As far as I know Frontier Pharm is the ONLY legal system that I know, however I have not used dioxicare products but think they could be the guys to go with.

March 3rd, 2011 at 08:47 PM
linda Says :

Frontier Pharm use Chlorine Dioxide which no one uses, it has some seriously bad factors with it. Being acidic, releasing gas into people lungs, so you will need a machine that has an extractor tube you put in someones mouth to extract the gas. I had this procedure done to me before. It was horrible.

March 4th, 2011 at 08:47 PM
Claire Says :

Hi I run my own business and have done for the past 2 and a half years. I am currently training 3-4 people a week in teeth whitening.

March 6th, 2011 at 08:47 PM
dave Says :

Don’t waste your time looking for legal products to whiten teeth. Legal does not mean safe! Take a look at what the dental industry use, that’s right HP every time. No dentist in the land would consider using anything else, why, because it is the only safe and effective method of carrying out this treatment. Get the proper training and it will remain a safe and effective method.

March 7th, 2011 at 08:47 PM
Linda Says :

Dave so what you are saying is use something illegal because it is “safe” ? don’t be silly. HP can cause just as much damage as any other illegal gel. the problem with them is they’re illegal, and they are illegal because they’re at harsh product strengths. Don’t misslead people.

March 7th, 2011 at 08:47 PM
dave Says :

Hi linda. I think you will find that hydrogen peroxide when used correctly is extremely safe. If used uncorrectly then i agree that it can cause problems, mainly burning of the gums. You obviously have doubts about your ability to whiten teeth if you think it may cause you problems as i have been using it for 10 years safely and with no adverse effects. Ask any dentist and he will tell you it is the only way to safely whiten teeth. You by all means carry on using your LEGAL chemicals and i guarantee in the long run you will not only have dissatisfied customers, you will have the adverse effect of putting swimming pool cleaners such as chlorine dioxides in peoples mouths to deal with. Come back to me when you know what you are talking about and whilst your at it get some proper training and educate yourself on the subject!

March 7th, 2011 at 08:47 PM
Amanda Says :

I too have entered into the teeth whitening business – Who can we trust? Who can we believe? This is making me ill with worry. Reading all this – it’s all just about the teeth whitening companies making money – slandering each other over legalities and what’s the best product. Can I just ask anyone else who reads this if they feel physically ill and don’t know who to trust?

March 9th, 2011 at 08:47 PM
Karen Allison Says :

Dave, I am looking at entering this industry and now totally confused. Looking at other posts I am not alone! I was contemplating going with CrystalSmile, who use Pro-White a peroxide free treatment. However, I am intrigued by the training, as well as the Dental Bleaching Technician (DBT) certification that’s on offer from Teethlabs in Cardiff, but they use HP. Is this certificate worth anything? What’s the best training out there? I want to make sure I am fully prepared and able to offer customers the best service possible but don’t know where to turn and would very much appreciate your guidance before I make a costly mistake!

March 9th, 2011 at 08:47 PM
dave Says :

Hi karen. Certificates regardless of who you get them from are worthless. They only state that you completed a course but will not help get you insurance to use hp. By all means go on the course that uses non peroxide but the results will be rubbish, believe me i have trialled them all. As i have said in other posts, hp is the only treatment that will guarantee results but still remains in a big grey area of legalities. If you receive the proper training you will be able to perform treatmemts safely and effectively.

March 9th, 2011 at 08:47 PM
Ged Says :

Hi Guys/Girls
Been considering attending one of these courses but after reading all of the above I need some paracetamol. I would really like some advice that doesnt come from one company or another, most of the above seem to be from each of the companys slandering the other.
Could someone who has genuinely attended a teaching/training course that works well and uses safe/reliable equiptment PLEASE get in-touch.
Thanks

Ged

March 10th, 2011 at 08:47 PM
Jonathan Knight Says :

Dave why are these products illegal if they are so safe ? surely they are illegal for a reason .. i dont know – maybe because they can cause damage to peoples mouths and teeth ? I could be wrong, im sure they are illegal for other reaons if they’re safe. Thanks.

March 10th, 2011 at 08:47 PM
Jen Says :

Can anybody actually confirm if B-Zero is actually any good?

I have heard that it doesnt work well but need confirmation before I buy?

Thanks
Jen.

March 10th, 2011 at 08:47 PM
Karen Allison Says :

Please check B-Zero out here – b-zero.co.uk

As per the earlier question is it any good?

March 11th, 2011 at 08:47 PM
Felicity Richards Says :

Hi everybody – I was just browsing on the internet and would like to put my thoughts across.

I trained with Teethlabs in Cardiff in early January 2011 and I found them to be really genuine and they don’t hide anything from you. In fact, they are completely upfront at all times and gave me all the information that I needed – i.e legalities, products used etc etc.

If anybody wants to email me regarding my experience etc I would be glad to help as I was just as confused, before I had my training with Teethlabs. I found them to be courteous, helpful and provide superb aftercare and are, what I would call a genuine business that is looking at the long-term rather than just short-term gain.

When I trained at Teethlabs, it was done professionally, with a class of 2 trainees and it really was one-to-one tuition. There were no interruptions and they provided us with lunch which was a nice surprise. The training itself was carried out by a doctor and he was very articulate and encouraging, the course was in-depth and answered all the questions I had and also questions that I didn’t know I had!

The equipment (blue led light etc) has worked great and all the products have been effective and have given me great results on all my clients.

Basically, I felt very comfortable, confident and happy upon leaving the course and it was exactly as I had expected it (I had called them a few times before as I am always too thorough). I would not hesitate to recommend Teethlabs – they are really quite excellent.

Teethlabs.co.uk

My email if anyone has questions: [email protected]

Good luck!
FJR

March 14th, 2011 at 08:47 PM
Geoff Says :

This is what the General Dental Council states on their website about teeth-whitening. It really renders the agent concentration or method of application entirely academic…

Tooth whitening Q & As
What is the practice of dentistry?
The practice of dentistry is limited to GDC registrants. It is the Council’s view that applying materials and carrying out procedures designed to improve the aesthetic appearance of teeth amounts to the practice of dentistry. So too does the giving of clinical advice about such procedures. Therefore ALL tooth whitening procedures, including bleach and laser treatment, are seen as the practice of dentistry by the General Dental Council.

The Dentists Act 1984 makes it a criminal offence for a person who is not a registered dentist or a registered dental care professional to practise dentistry, or hold themselves out – whether directly or by implication – as practising or as being prepared to practise dentistry.

…so worry less about what you are using & worry more about whether you should be using it!

March 15th, 2011 at 08:47 PM
Jonny Knight Says :

I’ve been using the B-zero products for over a week now and to be honest its fantastic, to even knock it is beyond me, for one it causes no pain and the results are as good as the carbamide if not better.

March 16th, 2011 at 08:47 PM
Tom Says :

I’m in Belgium, I wonder if Peroxide is legal here? Is B-zero activated by a LED light?

May 23rd, 2011 at 08:47 PM
Jimmy Says :

hi i would like to enquiry the cost of zoom teeth whitening. Thank you

May 24th, 2011 at 08:47 PM
Aden Says :

Hello, I wish to enquire about teeth whitening services. My last dentist informed me that one of my teeth would need to be whitened internally, so I would like this done, and also the rest of them whitened externally. Iwould like to know how many appoinemtnts i would require over the space ofhow many days? and what this treatment is likely to end up costing me. Thank you.

May 24th, 2011 at 08:47 PM
Amari Says :

My teeth have been permanently stained due to oxytetracycline and I have agummy smile. I would like to have a consultation to determine what improvements can be made.

May 25th, 2011 at 08:47 PM
Katrina Says :

my bottom two teeth became chip som eyears back i have had the teeth fileddown,However the dentine is showing on the top of both of the teeth it is my wish that i have a porcelian cap appled to the teeth .How much does thisform of tooth cappping retail at

May 27th, 2011 at 08:47 PM
Elsa Says :

Hi there, About a year ago I had laser in chair teeth whightening, It didn’t really make my teeth any lighte though. I assume this is because my teeth are just not very white naturally. Is there another type of procedure like bleaching that would be more effective or is the outcome I had from the laser teeth whitening the best I could hope for? I am keen to get this doneas soon as possible if it’ll actually work! Many thanks,